9.07.2005

McKnight on Grace-Grinders

I've not been bloggin too much lately as I've been reading and occasionally posting comments on two other blog sites. Wow. What a conversation Scot McKnight's been having on Grace-Grinding. (While you're at it, take a look at John Frye's site.)

Here's a thought I've been toying around with lately (and suggested in one of my comments on Scot's blog), "Is it possible to say anything too good to be true about the Grace of God?" I'll leave it at that and see if I get any discussion. Have at it.

10 Comments:

At 12:50 PM, Blogger fr'nklin said...

Interesting question...
Is this too good: "If the story of this gracious God is true, then no one will go to hell. No sin and no person will escape his grace."

Okay, that's a tad out of the box for me, but I just had to say it! I mean, I want that to be true, but I don't believe it...although I wish I could. You know what I mean??? Thanks for the question...really stirring my thoughts...

Peace,
fr'nklin

 
At 2:43 PM, Blogger stacey said...

fn'klin, thanks for the comment. Yeah, it's a tad out of the box for me, too, but it needed to be said and pondered. I was hoping someone would say it.

 
At 9:21 PM, Blogger Jim said...

"If the story of this gracious God is true, then no one will go to hell. No sin and no person will escape his grace."

If that's not true, then it seems God's grace won't save us from our own, ignorant selves ... maybe such limits are a form of grace as well (you know, free will and all that), but it sure doesn't look like it to me.

 
At 11:04 PM, Blogger fr'nklin said...

"...maybe such limits are a form of grace as well (you know, free will and all that)..."

This is thought provoking. So, God in his grace, gives us 'free will', which gives us the ability to damn ourselves...wow.

I just finished reading an AMAZING PLAY: "Ivan and Adolf, the last man in hell." Basically, hell is a place people go to learn how to give and receive forgiveness. Ivan Karamazov and Adolf Hitler are the last two men in hell. God has long ago forgiven them both, but neither man knows how to receive or grant forgiveness...so, in essence,they damn themselves.

One of them does learn...so one of them is "the last man in hell"...but I wouldn't want to give it away...
THANKS for the convo!
Peace.

 
At 9:31 AM, Blogger stacey said...

fr'nklin and Jim, thanks for the discussion. I suppose, in one sense, I will never come to complete rest on this topic. There will always be something tugging me this way or that. (After all, isn't grace strong enough to save all, but on the oither hand, isn't it also a strong grace that allows us the freedom to reject God?)

I remember something one of my favorite seminary profs once said to me on this discussion of salvation and grace. His name is Fred Holmgren and when I asked him what his thoughts were on the "particularlity" of salvation, he responded that he didn't really know either, but that he thought that God has drawn the circle a bit wider than we do.

 
At 2:44 PM, Blogger bdrtthnnb said...

I miss Fred Holmgren... were you in the calss he got a little ticked by someone eating their lunc out of a big bowl during class?

About drawing circles... I'll let God to that since every time I try I soon find myself outside! Still...

 
At 7:36 PM, Blogger stacey said...

Long live Fred Holmgren! I was not there that day, but I have been in his class many times when funny things were said and done. I miss him too.

 
At 1:05 PM, Blogger Scot McKnight said...

That story about Fred Holmgren is a new one to me, but I like it. Very much in fact.

 
At 11:28 AM, Blogger John Galt said...

fr'nklin and stacey:
it might interest you to know that, unbeknownst to the author (Stephen Vicchio), his play was already published - as the Book of Jonah! Don't believe me; re-read it and Jonah, or ask the author. It was pointed out to him by a friend AFTER he wrote it.
John Galt

 
At 11:30 AM, Blogger John Galt said...

Sorry - neglected to mention I was referring to Ivan and Adolf - The Last Man in Hell.

 

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